Amazing Thing One: Norman Vines & the Red Vest
As Jeanne and I were driving home from our church’s monthly gathering for small group pastors, for some reason we drove an extra block and crossed over the other bridge in Rockford township than the one we usually drive over.
As we drove over the river, I saw a big old man bundled up wearing a reflector vest and pulling a dolly behind him with lots of plastic bags walking across the bridge. Figuring he was homeless, we drove back around the block to ask him if he had a place to sleep that night (it was 16 degrees!).
“No, and I’ve been walking since 1pm from Minneapolis. How far is that?”
It was now 9pm.
“You walked about 40 miles!” We responded. “Why don’t you come sit in our car while we figure out a place you can stay (unfortunately we have a studio room and the YWAM campus has a policy not to let strangers sleep over night to protect families and students). What’s your name?”
“Norman,” he replied as I reached back to shake his hand.
I could tell he had a very gentle spirit, a strong southern accent, and he was extremely grateful. Seeing his grey hair as he removed his hat, he looked to be in his 60’s.
“Thank you so much. My hips and legs are really sore. I’ve been praying all afternoon that someone would help me. Nobody even stopped today. How far is St. Cloud? I have some friends up there that said I could stay with them. I was just planning to find a place by the river to sleep that blocked the wind.”
“It’s probably another 40 miles. And I don’t think you should keep walking there tonight or sleep outside.”
So, while I called our pastor to see if he knew any places around for Norman to stay (he said the church would cover our costs), Jeanne walked in with Norman to the Red Vest bar to see if anyone could help. The crazy thing was, just that afternoon we were telling some friends how we thought it would be great to hang out at the local bars in Rockford to get to know people and pray with them, but how we were probably not the ones to do that because we might stick out a bit too much.
I had even been praying the day before as I drove through town that God would bring some people to be like Jesus to any hurting people at the bars.
Jeanne later realized that how we felt about going into a bar is probably how most people feel about going into a church. But much to our surprise we found “church” in the bar…
From the moment Jeanne walked in and asked for some water for Norman, the bartender, Kelly, was encouraging and loving as Jeanne explained his situation and asked if there were any places for Norman to spend the night. She explained he was trying to get to St. Cloud so Kelly asked one of the local’s, Bill * (who had just come in before us. * name change), if he would give Norman a ride. She even offered to pay for his gas!
Bill looked to be in his late 40’s, with long, dark, curly hair, rings on all his fingers, and a trench coat. As I came in he immediately started talking to me and dug right in to his life story. Meanwhile, 2 guys at the end of the bar wanted to buy Norman a drink. He said, “no thank you I don’t drink,” so they bought him a coffee with a shot of Bailey’s Irish Cream.
Kelly brought him a hot plate of food and was just beaming with excitement,
“Sometimes the people here in Rockford make me so proud.”
What we thought would be a quick conversation turned into 2 hours. While Jeanne got to know Norman and Kelly, Bill began to share with me how he had lost his $30K chopper because of a DWI and prison time. He showed me a tattoo on his breast of a naked woman on the chopper, and kept talking about his issues—anger towards his ex-wife, his struggle to find a new wife. Seeing the tatoo, I knew his issues were much deeper. As he kept talking, the question that kept coming to my mind was,
“Do you know the Lord?”
At one point he started talking about God and how he made everything (which he would later go into great detail to justify daily smoking weed as the “herb of life”.) Then he cut himself off,
“But you can’t talk about religion in the bar.”
Since he brought God up, I asked the question that kept going through my mind.
“Do you know the Lord?”
“Yeah, I know the Lord,” Bill responded. And that led down a whole other path. After a while of talking some more, He asked me, “Are you born again?”
“Yes.”
And then continued (paraphrased) “I can see in your eyes you would like to ask me more about Jesus. But in the bar, religion and politics are the two things that can get you beat up. You have to be careful who you talk to about those things.” Of course HE went on talking about God and his beliefs for the next hour, even getting down on one knee confessing he believed in Jesus Christ.
It was sad to hear Bill say all these things, while he also tried to justify his weed addiction by saying he didn’t drink alcohol anymore because it was devil’s juice. He also told me how he was just trying to find a wife, but seemed like he would sleep with anyone who went home with him in the process.
I told him I saw a pastoral gifting in him (because he was so relational, could read me so well, and desired strong intimacy). Bill said, “I better clean up my act then.”
“Yeah, that would be good,” I responded.
I know Satan tries to use our giftings to destroy other people and our relationships with them, and I could clearly see the lies Bill was believing about daily smoking God’s “herb of life,” while “trying to find a wife,” by sleeping with any woman he could win over.
I listened for a long time, and was barely able to squeeze in a few questions here and there. He asked me to come back again on Thursday or Friday at the bar to talk some more after I had “absorbed” this conversation. Because he shared so openly and because he responded well to my encouragements, I felt like I needed to challenge him. I was really trying to be led by the Holy Spirit by what I said and by the end, I just needed to tell him some strong truth.
“Bill, I believe God will give you a wife. But you need to take a few years to heal your heart and get involved with a healthy community where you can serve that will love you. You’re desecrating women right now. God created them and made you to be with one person. When you have sex you’re starting a life long commitment. It is the last step in a process that takes time first getting to know the person emotionally, spiritually and mentally.”
I think he got upset with me after that and wanted me to come outside with him. I didn’t know if he wanted to smoke, tell me something more privately or punch me, but as I started following him out, Norman stopped me and started thanking me again profusely. I asked him,
“Did Jeanne get a chance to pray with you.”
He said “yes, but I always like more prayer.”
So I asked him about his family.
“They’re back down south. My sister doesn’t want anything to do with me.” From his strong Southern accent and the noise in the bar, I couldn’t understand what he said about his brother.
Jeanne told me later that he was Pentecostal and his family was Baptist, so they didn’t get along. : (
She said he seemed like Forest Gump, and his family didn’t know how to help him.
As I was praying for him to get a job and plant roots with this family he was trying to find in St. Cloud, Kelly had pulled Jeanne into playing foosball with Leo, another guy at the bar. So after praying they egged me to come over.
After the first game Kelly had to make sure the other 10 people in the bar were good on drinks, so I got to know a bit about Leo. After 2 games, we prepared to head out. Bill had come back in the bar and came over to watch us. I apologized for not coming out with him and he said,
“Don’t worry about it, I was just getting a little too upset.”
As we tried to leave once again, Jeanne mentioned to Kelly about our food packing service (Kids Against Hunger) at church Thanksgiving Eve and invited her to come. Kelly was excited once again, and even though Jeanne hadn’t even talked to her at all about God, Kelly said,
“I think God brought us all together tonight.”
Bill agreed and I said, “Yes, it was a team effort.”
Kelly said, “Maybe I can close up the bar and bring everyone to church to pack food on Wed.”
That was exactly what Jeanne was thinking, and we excitedly agreed,
“Yeah, that would be great!”
I asked Kelly if we could come pack food in the bar sometime.
“Yeah, sure!”
“When would be a good time?”
“Anytime I’m working.”
This whole experience was so surreal. We don’t know if they will actually come to this Wednesday night service at our church, Village. We’re going to drop a flier off, and we stopped back at the bar last night and got Kelly’s number from another employee to call her and find out if Bill brought Norman and if he found his friends up in St. Cloud okay.
I hope to go back to talk with Bill some more, and we also plan to have a packing event at the bar one of these weeks!
Please pray that God will bring fruit out of these new relationships and lead us in continuing on with them. Also pray:
- that Bill will be convicted by the Holy Spirit to recognize how he is hurting God, himself and women;
- that Norman Vines (truly his last name) will abide in Jesus, get planted and rooted where God wants him to be.
- That Kelly will bring the guys to the Wed night service, and/or help us plan a food packing event at the bar.
- That God will open the doors to the other 2 bars in Rockford as we’re faithful to follow up with the people from this experience.
Wednesday, November 23rd
To continue the story, even though no one from the bar came to pack Wed night at our church, we actually brought some leftover pie back to the Red Vest from the Thanksgiving Eve Service. Kelly, the bartender was so thankful. She also said Norman made it okay to St. Cloud!
As Jeanne was talking to her, Kelly was telling another woman sitting at the bar,
“Something special happened here last Sunday night.”
The other woman replied, “Special? But Sunday nights are always boring.”
“I know,” Kelly responded, “But when they came in, everybody wanted to help Norman. I was so proud of our little bar that night!”
What Kelly may not have realized was the Holy Spirit is in us and was apparently giving us great favor and moving everyone to want to help out of our little act of compassion trying to find Norman a place to sleep that night.
As Jeanne reflected on the experience the following night, she started crying.
“I think Norman Vines may have been an angel. He was so sweet, honest and gentle.”
I just couldn’t believe it took a homeless guy for God to get us into the Red Vest. It’s amazing what it takes for us to be willing to be an answer to our own prayers.
And now we’ve had 3 people offer to go back to the bar with us to pack food and 3 others want to go talk to people!
So that was the first amazing story. The second is just as good.
Amazing Thing Two: Tommy learning about the Holy Spirit
That morning, Jeanne and I were co-teaching Sunday School at Village church. I help Forrest with the 3-4th graders and she’s with Michael and the 5-6th graders. In my class with Forrest, one boy brought a friend, Tommy, from his hockey team to church. We were talking about the Holy Spirit and what Jesus says about Him in the weekly lesson and I thought, “He might not understand this if he hasn’t made a decision to surrender his life to Jesus.” So after the lesson I asked him if he ever decided to follow Jesus.
“It’s okay if you haven’t, we’re just trying to learn more about you.”
After thinking about it, he shook his head, ” No.”
So I asked, “Tommy, do you go to church?”
“Sometimes I go with my grandma.”
“Do you know Jesus is God?”
“Yeah, well, No.”
“Do you know what He did for you?”
“Yeah, he died for my sins.”
“Do you know what that means?”
“No.”
So then I asked the other kids to explain as best as they could why Jesus died for our sins and what that means. It is awesome to hear kids explain the gospel in their limited understanding. The other teacher and I filled in
“Whatever we have done or will do in our life that is bad separates us from a relationship with God. But because Jesus took all the bad things (our sins) on Himself when He died on the cross, He can now forgive us when we receive that gift from him. It’s like God giving us a present on Christmas, but if we don’t open it, then we can’t really receive or know the gift.”
One girl, Angela said,
“I know a verse that goes with that! For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23.”
“Yes, that’s great Angela.”
I saw AWANA had paid off for her!
“So Tommy, would you like to surrender your life to follow Jesus?”
He shook his head up and down, “yeah.”
Okay, I will pray and everyone can repeat after me. Let’s all do this together to help Tommy.
“Jesus, thank you for dying on the cross for me. Thank you for forgiving me of all the bad things I’ve done. I’m sorry I hurt you. Thank you for your Holy Spirit coming into my heart. Please pour out your Spirit on me now and fill me up with your love. Help me to follow you all of my days. Thank you God. Amen.”